Keep in mind, these are my observations Ive made since moving from the USA. I also see something above the brown circle, like a ring of colored balls or ???? This either meant Lisanne Froon was conscious while Kris was not, and tried to call emergency services, or that a third party tried to get into her phone but didnt succeed. The oddest thing about this photo is the look on her face which looks very distorted. The grimace on Kris face is because she is in pain. These nameless trails arent monitored or maintained by park rangers. I noticed this too. So its kind of curious that the most critical images are either cropped or missing entirely. I think that if the parents had withheld important photographs,showing that the circumstances pointed to natural causes,they would have disclosed that theory before now, surely,if for no other reason,than to prevent further speculation about the girls disappearance. She is obviously excited by the weird place they have found. We have no final police report only a lot of leaked info much second hand and multiple hand. https://u.cubeupload.com/beavermatic/KrisKremersFullPhoto.jpg, Her hands are not tied behind her back! https://photos.app.goo.gl/nVA1PDjjeVwULeo66. The 3 of them died shortly after being in contact with the girls. Her face also appears to be heavily damaged, bruised and bleeding and her hair appears to have been pulled out and or cut as its sticking out in ways that dont seem normal for her ponytail.. I do not see any eyes, but I can definitely see a nose and a mouth. Theyve been promised much if they deliver Feliciano hard evidence of the girls death. Hi Justin, Well done the image is really sharp now. To this day, the disappearance and tragic deaths of Kris and Lisanne remains a harrowing mystery. Before you even pointed out the manmade ceiling structure I noticed that. The Missing Panama Girls: A Closer Look At One Photo Thanks for your interest in the case and providing some input. Have you performed this same work on any of the other case photos? Fortunately, theres a lot of work still underway from private investigators and researchers. Dutch Women Who Went Missing in Panama Confirmed Dead - NBC News What I DO see is a very definite path. There may be some evidence on its fur like fingerprintsdnaplant/vegetation etc. When the girls were vacationing in South Panama it shows a photo of them in the ocean, and behind them in the ocean is a fat white man seemingly staring at them. This was cleverly planned, and the murderer(s) have done this before. That photo was wiped clean from the SD card, which is a strong clue that someone deleted it after the other photos were taken. Whatever happened I believe was not from a man following them. My condolences to the families that experienced this terrible tragedy. Kris walks down the ravine and bends over to examine orange graffiti I upscaled that image with AI correction and its 100x more clear that there is obviously a trap or makeshift roofing above her. Panamanian screwed up the investigation monumentally, but I would think that the private detectives followed up all the leads: after all, they were getting paid a lot of money for it. ), podran darnos explicaciones de la posicin del cuerpo, de las manos y la expresin del rostro en la foto 506. According the guidance given to the US Embassy, immigration officials will require tourists who leave the country to stay a minimum of 30 days outside of the country before reentering. Take care if you do go over there. I dont see any confirmation from law enforcement either as to whether or not the white bones were tested for bleaching. That said, tourists wear shorts and sandals because they are not used to the heat or aware of such social norms. Was someone who's still out there responsible for their deaths? Clearly the trash on the rocks indicates it had active people. Adventurers and travelers seek different experiences. perhaps there is much that was missed by a very bungled police investigation. It would also show that the photos had been truly messed about with, as this one is supposed to come before the photos of her crossing the stream. The people in Panama may be afraid to speak, but in Europe, the USA and other Central American countries there are pods of people still working on the case. The pair had been hiking around the jungle for two weeks as part of a backpacking trip - and they were planning to stay for another four weeks with their host family to volunteer at a local school. How many tourists go to Australia? She would probably have gone into what looks like a cave or hut behind her, which may have been a booby trap leading to a long drop either through the floor or at the back of the cave. Wearing minimal clothing, no knife of compass which were left in their room. Kremers and Froon set out into the forest along thePianista Trail around 11 amon April 1, 2014,with only a backpack between them. Was the dog fed and watered by a family as opposed to being one of the many feral dogs in Latin America? Can you provide more information about photos of the girls being in bad shape? Both of these 2 boys died shortly after, by murder or by accident. I really hope the girls rest in peace and that nobody goes through this ever. The commenters here are speculating wildly about this particular picture. One thing is for sure, I will never travel to Panama. Theres no telling how many people touched it before the police got it. Fingerprints were not investigated. Theymade numerous emergency calls afew hours into their hike; logs show they managed to connect only oncedue to poor reception in the forest. It would be scarey.they could got attack by animal. But arent there the subsequent photos of Kris Kremers crossing the stream and so the developments may have occurred after this picture 505? However, her surroundings were my intended focus regarding this photo theres a lot of things in this photo that havent been discussed elsewhere and could provide clues as to what happened to them. It could help shed more light onto the possible answer to the mystery. The abductor is a deeply religious man, in his own demented way, and he sees this as a sign from God. Its sad because Panama is a beautiful country with a lot of wonderful people. The reason being, many people assume that shes leaning over and looking down at the rock before her. (The photos where the sky is suddenly cloudy). "Tourism contributes 10% to EU GDP and creates jobs for 26 million people," notes the European Union Tourism Trends report. How Many Kids Does Linkin Park Have? I was looking at the photographs again and something caught my eye. If you watch the four part video of the entire trail beyond the Mirador you will see exactly where this photo was taken, and there is not a cave or ledge or ravine anywhere near her. It may be a plant, but it appears to have a definitive shape and its oddly located that the very center of the path with no other visible red things in the trees. Dominican Republic Tourist Deaths: What to Know About Safety - Time However, its still possible. People claiming the floor is made out of skulls, that there is a booby trap above her head, that there are 5 men with rifles watching her, that there are snakes hanging down, that she is at some sort of human sacrificial alter etc. A witness who wont be staying in Panama for long. Its very disappointing to see the comment sections on this website to be allowed to turn into a very disrespectful and unfunny joke. Hi Chris, to me the place Kris is in looks really spooky, but I also think it looks like the entrance to a cave. Too many coincidences. Incredible work and interest- level regarding the fate of these human spirits. Thanks for some new information, excellent analysis of the photo! Theres no denying that the face looks skewed and mask like. It was taken on the Continental Divide exactly 14 minutes and 12 seconds after their photos at the Mirador. The whole scene is odd why is Lisanne (if it was her) standing miles away? There is very convincing evidence gathered by Juan Perea over the years on this case. At this point I have to agree with him, and I think its likely the trail guide and some men they met were somehow involved. There appears to be a blue pieces of trash on the ground. We have 5 people ending up dead, and the skulls of the girls are never found. Then uses the flash to take many photos of the area, so she can return for Kris after finding help. Is it possible that there is a building or some sort of structure behind the vegetation? Matts article about the daytime photos (link), https://voyager.lupomesky.cz/kremers-froon/kris-gully-3composite.jpg, https://koudekaas.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-disappearance-of-kris-kremers-and_11.html, https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CJKQMGxJ1Kc/XH7ld3XtSnI/AAAAAAAAjOg/kechIb5Cge8msf5kRVinBCrEjIiBCl7TwCLcBGAs/s1600/7reCdlm.jpg, https://www.laestrella.com.pa/nacional/141020/of-piece-medical-studies-examiner, https://koudekaas.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-disappearance-of-kris-kremers-and.html, Kris Kremers Case: The People Involved (Reference Guide), New Case Data: Night Photo EXIF Temperatures, Video Footage: El Pianista Complete Trail Hike, Canadas Freedom Convoy Raises Millions On GiveSendGo, Panama Expedition 2021 Complete Overview, Disappearance Stories A Word Of Caution, Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon (Case Articles), 18 Critical Tips for Traveling Central America. I think Juan is actively trying to protect this human trafficking agency. Zooming in I swear its a person standing Hidden amongst the tangle with body paint. You have to look hard. The timeline could have been enhanced with this info. I agree with you that what happened is not some misadventure. The picture where she is crossing the stream and looking back, her smile looks forced. Over four days, 77 separate attempts had been made to call the cops - using the emergency numbers in both the Netherlands and in Panama. As the search was starting to wind up, a local woman handed in a blue backpack, claiming she found it in a rice paddy along the banks of the river. Shes been beaten into submission. There were no signs at that time. Disturbing evidence also showed there were a number of failed attempts to unlock Kris' phone - sparking another theory that Kris had died and Lisanne was frantically trying to access her phone to get help. Well done Chris on highlighting the strangeness of this place. The theory of being lost is so plausible in a Jungle but then the photos .. the speculation can never end. I just realized Blue, the guide dog who often walks hikers up the trail, whose return home without the girls alerted locals they were missing, IS NOT IN ANY OF L & K pictures. It seems likely it was tribal. This case certainly is perplexing, as many of the disappearances Ive written about. I think this photo in particular is odd. After the backpack was found the family got to see the pictures and the case was ruled an accident presumably the 30 or so pics the family didnt release showed the girls in bad shape,, the case went from foul play to accident after the pics were seen.. the pic of the girls hair was put on internet by her brother or something like that and was quickly photoshopped , the wound and eye were concealed. I think the camera dried and started working again and they took pictures at night. Maybe you can find more answers about this horrible story. Debra Ann Velleman, of Waukesha, Wis., and Sue L. Borries, of Teutopolis, Ill., are missing after their plane crashed off the coast of Panama on Jan. 3, 2022. She has no idea that her parents are about to arrive in Panama. Regardless of who created it, the fact is that the women made emergency phone calls shortly after they visited this place. I think that the taxi driver knew who has killed them thats why sb killed him, the guide man who found the bones and their belongings can be the murderer and he was the person went to their room maybe to find the cable charge maybe pretending that he hadnt visited them on the reserved time, then he put their bag and money and camera for police because he was scared they search his house too, the locals heard screaming and then a crash (broken bones due to fall) in the jungle 4 days after their missing and warned about that to some french tourist, this article is long and I didnt sleep last night. Caruso, 56, died on June 17 after staying at the Boca Chica Resort in Santo Domingo. Youre asking why didnt they try to call a friend or family member WHEN THEY COULDNT EVEN GET A SIGNAL TO THE POLICE? Perhaps this stranger had suggested he could guide them on a more interesting trail, or show them something interesting in the jungle. The structure at the back of this small ravine looks like a hideout that a military man might make, as part of survival training in the jungle. The sun is shining right into her eyes so shes squinting and bending down a bit to see her friend, who was probably talking to her while snapping the photo. The world may never know what happened to the pair, but speculation still runs wild. The Lost Girls of Panama: The Full Story. Hands tied behind her back, face looks a bit puffy too, as if been in an altercation of sorts. Thanks for your consideration with this comment. I have no idea. https://www.laestrella.com.pa/nacional/141020/of-piece-medical-studies-examiner. If I remember correctly half of a pelvic bone was found that belong to the other girl so I think we should give the other girl some thought. Two Dutch tourists Kris Lemers, 21, and Lisanne Froon, 22 disappeared while out on a hike in Panama in April 2004. I implore those who are intrigued by this to read his books. Bu that he meant an outcome which had no human input to the consequences. Most people in Panama dont have the expertise, nor equipment to handle these sophisticated tasks. Perhaps Kris is already caught in the trap and thats why she is in a funny position and her waist is drawn in tight. She turns to talk Lisanna I just want to agree with Chris and the poster JW that she is shading her eyes with her right arm up. We have no way of knowing if somebody tried to unlock the phone but failed. When a bad break happens at ankle level and the body decomposes and gets scavenged once the flesh and muscle is gone the foot and shoe are separated from the rest of the leg. I think the night photos were taken by individuals who found the device and were not familiar with the camera, perhaps never seeing a camera before. I would like to know the answer to that question also. Sixty percent of these deaths were documented on the border between Mexico and the United . Froon and Kremers were both in their early 20s; they traveled to Panama to work with children. This photo has been edited. Its disturbing. The insignia looks more like a darkish skinned face peering through a narrow window and observing the girls from behind some sort of screen. Even on my iPhone I could make it big enough to see odd things in the pic. This is speculation. So I see men in the cave. I cant say what it is, but it looks similar to an object, that can be seen in some of the nighttime photos, like in this one here. Could the red object be a bird? Yessss!! Realizing just how much trouble these two could have been in. Bizarre Stories About Tourists Who Went Missing Far From Home - CBC But there are a few holesin this particular theory. After investigating further, I discovered this article from the LA Times: https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-01-18/cult-anointed-by-god-kills-7-in-panama-jungle, The LA Times article states The sect arose after a villager returned to the community several months ago following a stint abroad, bringing back unusual religious beliefs with him.. One of them probably fell got hurt, a local found them said they would help and well they didnt help they killed them and dumped in River knowing the river would remove any evidence. No,they werent murdered. The mystery remains unsolved to this day, and there is still little certainty around the tragic deaths of the two Dutch students. Hope there will be a reasonable explanation to everything one day. Thanks un advance, Lyn Carmichael. In Latin America, it is as common as drinking coffee. I think she is pointing, but at something else in another location. Is the time that photo was taken known? He went into the girls room without police, he was involved with finding of the backpack, and also the bones. I speculate about potential reasons. Since they were two young women from Europe, I can easily see the possibility that they offended the wrong man. But what if that is what led them off track ? He goes down some intriguing avenues which while I may not agree with either the direction or point have value because they stimulate me to think. Kremers'slocked phone showed someone entered awrong PINseveral times. It suggest that this case goes deeper than we imagine. However being one of the last photos taken this location would be incredibly important to have investigated back in 2014 (or even still). It is the morning of April 8th. I dont buy it that those girls were murdered on the pianista trail. Something happened between the morning and afternoon of the 5th because it was in the afternoon that a wrong pin was entered and subsequently every time thereafter. Do they deal in weapons, drugs, porn? It was taken on the Continental Divide on April 1st, 2014 with the recorded time: 13:20:32. Their bodies were located after more than 690 hours of searching. Several of the relatives and friends of those visitors to the Quintana Roo who went missing formed a group named "Truth, Memory, and Justice" in an attempt to . ^ But the galvanized sign marking the terminus of the Pianista isnt really the end of the trail. In fact, theres a very obvious, albeit mud-choked, passage that goes down the other side of the crestonly to intersect with an entire web of paths constructed and used primarily by members of the indigenous Ngobe tribe. I could go on and on. https://photos.app.goo.gl/sLXepriuWAxz8t1R9 All of this leads to resentment and frustration, which results in higher crime rates. Well be mapping the trails with a GPS device, searching for the location of the night photos and capturing aerial footage of the rivers in the region. That is why the poor often resort to vigilantism. I feel that unless they do or unless further forensic work has shown something more then, no matter what the experts in survival say, it is still only speculation and not proof. Also, people do not give off a rosy glow from their backs, as can be seen here. It is the poor color quality of the photograph with oversaturated reds that has people thinking they are seeing skulls and carcasses. Does anyone see what I see? Right above it. Like you, I also live abroad in a developing country. A woman from the localNgbetribeturned in a blue backpack she claimed she found along the bankof a nearby river. and then found by someone and then the real nightmare started. Or if they went, they could have been followed by someone the murderer (or murderers). Anyway thanks again this is such a fascinating case I wish there would be some kind of closure for the families (although I saw a you tube video that interviewed the father of one of the girls, he said that they hired their own investigator and determined they died of an accidental fall. Hi Kevin, Occums razor only applies when all facts are available. Im not sure though, Id have to search in my graphic editor again. if both then was the other found in their room? Over 60% of the missing person cases involving foreigners in the Cancun area have not been solved according to a new report. And the hair photo shows him holding Kris by the neck (you can see his fingers, one wearing a silver ring with faces engraved on it). Likelihood the predator will strike again: 99.9% unless predator has died. To Jane I just gave the brief overall story of what I think happened. I also think those girls probably already perished before the dates on those daytime photos. Theres a red cord tied around her waist that wasnt on her in any of the other photos. Perhaps that is where this photo was taken and a search should be done there. Does anyone know what the orange string is on the left of the photo? The black twigs can be seen growing up, as all vegetation/trees do to harness the sun, but the ones above her are clearly bent in a horizontal and parallel formation. A year later, two tourists following the same trail are robbed at gunpoint. I dissagree with her hand beeing tied. Hi Susan, those are all possibilities. Thanks for any information you can provide. Of course these generalities and cultural traits do not apply to everyone here. The first thing that strikes me as very odd in this photograph and I think I havent seen anyone pointing that out yet -, is a specific number. Notice how Juan has actively injected false information into the public investigation, including a picture of 4 people standing in a pond with heavily photo edited faces (one of them has their head moved off of the neck in a very obvious edit). She makes a last effort to wake her friend. You mention the research team. This could be a very handy skill to our team. In 2014 Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, both from the Netherlands were traveling and exploring the Central American country of Panama. Machismo culture is very real and respect is considered to hold a higher level of importance in Latin America. Out of the dozens of calls, only one managed to connect, but broke up after just two seconds due to the lack of reception. Nice investigation. The blood on her leg is, again, a shadow. Jeroen Jumulet / Stringer / AFP / Getty Images, Blue returned from the hike unaccompanied. Emergency. Totally agree. Hello Chris, did you ever get any background on the statements made by Joseph? Like a trap net or something. ABC News had previously reached out to the U.S. Embassy in Panama for comment but did not receive a response. This makes no sense. He has a reasonable explanation for why she is having to bend down, and he found video where you can see a turn to the left where kris is. January 4, 2023. Regarding accidents (My father a doctor always said accidents do not exist. So, if the dog went on the hike with the girls, its most likely that the owners would not have known that fact. Hi Ray, thank you for your comment. People usually have dogs for a mild form of protection. His . I know that its tempting to a lot of people to make simple conclusions, but its simply not possible to make conclusions without more information. Of course, nobody knows exactly why things happened. Kriss in the photo is just watching her step. Hi Tom, I believe you intended to comment above, on @SwordOfGods comment. Ive just watched a video on YouTube.. An unusual one.. A psychic reading actually.. Dyatlov Pass Tourists Go Missing While Visiting Area of - Newsweek The land behind her is definitely at a higher level and could be rock. However, calling emergency services doesnt require unlocking the phone, meaning a third party had to be involved. Hence the bras and everything safely stacked in the backpack together both girls sunglasses and both girls phones (otherwise each girl would be carrying her own phone). It doesnt matter. It IS strange that the attempted SOS calls were so few. Only a handful of the pictures retrieved from the memory card showed clear images, with most showing near-complete darkness. I see nothing extraordinary in this photo, without stretching imagination. She cant be shielding her eyes from the sun, as no shadow is falling over her eyes. But because of their theatrics and ignoring the evidence, the story and curiosity will continue to keep this case alive. Remains of 2 American women missing after Panama plane crash recovered At 2:50 they start walking up to what I believe is the location in this photograph, Not a cave but an old bridge you can see the railing and bridge post and there is a weird shadow to the left behind the railing. Theres some type of red and black object at the top of the photo. You can find more information about on this article: https://imperfectplan.com/2021/02/24/kremers-froon-new-case-data-timestamps-of-missing-daytime-photos/. Around 2 oclock. The identity of the person who took the images remains a mystery. That said, even if there is a structure there, it has been made clear that there are a lot of trails on the other side of the El Mirador that are used by the indigenes, so it wouldnt be surprising to see indications of these areas being used. Dogs are very independent here. She must therefore be in a house or building of some kind and therefore being kept prisoner at least for the 8 days before that photo was taken. Dogs here are seen as animals (like a jaguar or puma) that can take care of themselves, theyre seen as being dirty (not permitted on furniture) and are more rugged, like the dog can handle his own problems. I noticed that youve submitted two more links in another newer comment. On April 3, 2014, authorities began an aerial search of the forests and an on-foot search ofBoquete. It begins to rain. Hi Mel, thanks for sharing. Same goes for the hair photo, that people think might be a portion of a previous shot. On one website, almost every user is convinced, that all the daylight pictures were photoshopped, even this one here, No.505. In 2020 the number of international visitors to Australia dropped to 6.7 million due . And we also have more than 500 sets of human remains believed to be archived across the . Two Dutch women who went missing in April in Panama are now confirmed dead, according to police and the women's families. The students' phone records also tragically revealed how they desperately tried to call the police. & the way the local police handled it seems so botched making it stranger, & why keep some pictures hidden from the public still, especially if the case is closed now? However, Dutch authors Marja West and Jrgen Snoeren claim they have solved the mystery in their bookLost in The Jungle. It looks straight and like it may go over the eye and above it. I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE PIT PICTURE FOR YEARS, YOU CLEARLY SEE A GATELIKE STRUCTURE OVER THE PIT. No dog. why couldnt they just destroy the phone all together, break it beyond repair and leave it in the backpack. The phones remained active for nearly 10days after the pair went missing. Another thing that crossed my mind is what if the backpack & items had been kept as like a trophy of the killings, & a local knew thats what it was aware of the incident & grabbed it & left it somewhere to be found to try & help shed light on the case the best way they could. I do get very creepy and bad vibes from this photo though. Hay incongruencias en fechas y horas de los testigos y de los registros de los telfonos y la cmara, pero lo que ms me ha inquietado es la foto 506. And I agree that her hands are free. I was definitely thinking it looks like her hands might be tied behind her back here. Like local tribesmen. The roof or cover is not substantial enough to keep out rain but it could work as camouflage from the air. Note the shadow across her face , covering her eyes: that is from her hand. The stats leave 42 cases currently open since 2007. Central America is notably inexpensive, free spirited, less commercialized and is typically hospitable to travelers, therefore many travelers from around the world seek these adventures. I knew there was a lot of interest in the case but I never expected to find a sophisticated group collaborating at this level. The women wanted to see as much of Boquete as possible,hiring a guide to showthem around on April 2, 2014. Have you looked closely at what Chris has labelled the insignia. There are no discernible scratches of any kind on the bones, neither of natural nor cultural origin there are no marks on the bones at all. However there appear to be yellowish/beige shadows and it looks like a sandstone cliff. Do u know if this particular spot was apart of the trail they went on? Thank you, and keep up the good work. Easily done, I have done that myself several times. Plus, corruption in Panamas government is rampant. Had someone told them about something worth seeing? My question is: Who has the ability to manipulate both the cameras internal storage database and the photos? Yes theres a man to her left crouched down wearing beige/ beige/ brown. On April 1, the 21-year-old and 22-year-old went for a walk . I dont see any pit. If it is a photo-op, why is Kris not waving her hands or something. Im not saying that I dont think foul play was involved. Its possible theres a painted insignia on the post to right of Kris. But someone may not like it, so I hope that you will be very carefull! I think murder is quite likely. I really feel that this place is the key to what happened to the girls. OK I see the conspiracy theorists saying someone else had their phones but who else would know to try 112 which is the common emergency number for EU countries? I do think it looks like red flowers growing through the structure, and whilst I agree that it does look like there is some sort of symbol on the tree, after studying her pose from the photo above, I dont think she would be acting / posing like that if there was a creepy ass symbol scrawled into the tree! I would start at both ends of the trail meaning working forward from where they started their walk and backwards from where their pathetic remains were found. I wanted to share this article from a big newspaper in Panama.